General talk about software patterns

[Christian Köppe <christian.koppe AT hu.nl>]

Joe,

I personally think that this is indeed one of the overlooked issues in most 
published patterns; they (authors and patterns) assume that they are 
culture-independent. Your example shows that this is not (always) the case. 
The example you give is mainly about formulating the pattern in the best way. 
However, I also question if all described patterns (especially the 
non-technical ones, like educational or organizational) really are applicable 
independent of the cultural context as we often seem to assume. And with 
culture I mean everything from locality, political, religious, gender, 
historical, age, organizational, etc. I certainly appreciate a discussion on 
this topic!

I think that this might be a good topic for a focus group at the next PLoP 
(or EuroPLoP)! Is that an option for you?

Christian Köppe

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 namens Joseph Bergin 
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Onderwerp: [patterns-discussion] Cultural Dependencies and the YOU form.

I've been suggesting to my students for years that they write patterns in the 
YOU form, as if addressed to the person who must carry out the solution. I've 
also suggested that the solution be stated strongly in an imperative form. 
Here is a tiny excerpt, derived from the pedagogical pattern Round Robin. 
I'll leave out much of it, just to get the flavor:

Round Robin
Context: You are teaching a course in which students are expected to learn 
through their discussions...
Problem: You want all students to participate in a discussion.
Solution: Therefore, use a round robin technique to solicit suggestions.

I've always thought of this as a good form. However, I'm teaching the course 
again and, as usual, learning a few things from my students. I have students 
from all over the world. Some students from India and Pakistan questioned the 
use of the YOU form for patterns. They say that it seems impolite to them, 
since the solutions are imperative. There are language issues of course, with 
Urdu and Tamil having separate you forms for use with different people. I 
think these words have different import than the European versions (Usted, 
vs. tu). The European versions seem mostly to represent "degree of 
association - strangers vs. family), or the German impersonal forms (man), 
but it may be different (say, hierarchical) elsewhere.

As a result of the discussion, I've been playing with an I form (first person 
singular rather than second person). For example:

Context: I'm teaching a course in which students are expected to learn 
through their discussions...
Problem: I want all students to participate in a discussion.
Solution: Therefore, I use a round robin technique to solicit suggestions.

The rest of the pattern would need to be changed to match, of course.

What do you think about all this? Have you heard this in your travels or 
pattern writing/usage? The I form doesn't sound as strong to me, but 
interesting. What advice would you give to pattern writers in this area?

Linda Rising suggested I post this here, and Jutta gave good advice that she 
may want to repeat here.

Thanks for your thoughts.
Joe

PS. I'll be wanting three good shepherds pretty soon, also. Let me know, 
privately, if you are interested.
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