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Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming

From: Mark Grand <mgrand AT mindspring.com>
To: Ralph Johnson <johnson AT cs.uiuc.edu>, Mike Beedle <beedlem AT e-architects.com>, "'Pascal Costanza'" <pascal AT p-cos.net>
Cc: patterns-discussion AT cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:10:14 -0400
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In the commercial sector, it is hard to find Lisp or Smalltalk people. Reimplementing in a more common language will, over time, reduce costs and make the progress of software development more predictable.

In over 30 years, I have only been involved in one commercial project that used lisp.

At 05:42 PM 10/24/2004, Ralph Johnson wrote:

Paul Graham built a system and a company, and sold the company to Yahoo.
Yahoo took it over and was successful with it, but eventually rewrote it all
in Java. This is a typical story. Why do people take successful systems in
Lisp (or Smalltalk, or ...) and rewrite them in much more boring and less
powerful languages? We need to understand this if we want to make the world
safe for powerful languages.

Mark Grand (404)925-8265

[patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Mike Beedle, 10/22/2004
- Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Pascal Costanza, 10/22/2004
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- RE: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Mike Beedle, 10/24/2004
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    - Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Mark Grand, 10/24/2004
      - Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Pascal Costanza, 10/25/2004
      - Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Ralph Johnson, 10/26/2004
        
        RE: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Chris Finlayson, 10/27/2004
        
        Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Pascal Costanza, 10/28/2004
    - Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Pascal Costanza, 10/25/2004
      - Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Ralph Johnson, 10/25/2004
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        Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Malte Finsterwalder, 10/26/2004
    - Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Dan Palanza, 10/25/2004