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- From: Pascal Costanza <pascal AT p-cos.net>
- To: <cfinlayson AT vls-inc.com>
- Cc: 'Mike Beedle' <beedlem AT e-architects.com>, 'Mark Grand' <mgrand AT mindspring.com>, patterns-discussion AT cs.uiuc.edu, 'Ralph Johnson' <johnson AT cs.uiuc.edu>
- Subject: Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming
- Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:09:41 +0200
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On 27 Oct 2004, at 7:23, Chris Finlayson wrote:
Greetings,
Be it right or wrong, the best product technically doesn't always win. We
know this. The "us versus them" attitude will do nothing to solve this
(management is stupid, we know better, etc....)
The so-called "us versus them" attitude is inevitable. In a capitalist world, the guys with the money have more power than the guys without the money. We should acknowledge that reality instead of denying it.
America and the world has a long way to go.
Please don't say "America and the world", at least not until you have gotten rid of George W. Bush. This gives me the creeps.
Likewise, be it right or wrong, Sun and Microsoft have developed end-to-end
enterprise systems to cater to the masses. Even if we assume that today
someone came out with the "best" programming language ever as judged by a
panel of experts, it'll go nowhere if it doesn't have a well-stated business
case and a vision for the future.
Talking about the future: Read Paul Graham's "The Hundred-Year Language" at http://www.paulgraham.com/hundred.html
I'm not a Microsoft
evangelist by any means, I don't think they're extraordinarily
groundbreaking in research, but I do think they're good at filtering out
what people have already done, picking and choosing the best-of-breed ideas,
and implementing them in a unified system.
No, they're not. They have just been clever at taking advantage of several mistakes IBM made a few decades ago. Everything else follows from that. Their technology is mostly crap.
The higher level individuals who are
in charge of making technology decisions can only make their decision based
upon how well the problem and vision is described to them.
This is the gist of the problem: Technical decisions made by non-technical people.
Pascal
--
Tyler: "How's that working out for you?"
Jack: "Great."
Tyler: "Keep it up, then."
- [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Mike Beedle, 10/22/2004
- Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Pascal Costanza, 10/22/2004
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- RE: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Mike Beedle, 10/24/2004
- Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Ralph Johnson, 10/24/2004
- Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Mark Grand, 10/24/2004
- Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Pascal Costanza, 10/25/2004
- Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Ralph Johnson, 10/26/2004
- RE: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Chris Finlayson, 10/27/2004
- Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Pascal Costanza, 10/28/2004
- RE: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Chris Finlayson, 10/27/2004
- Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Pascal Costanza, 10/25/2004
- Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Ralph Johnson, 10/25/2004
- Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Malte Finsterwalder, 10/25/2004
- Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Pascal Costanza, 10/25/2004
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- Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Malte Finsterwalder, 10/26/2004
- Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Dan Palanza, 10/25/2004
- Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Mark Grand, 10/24/2004
- Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Ralph Johnson, 10/24/2004
- FW: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Mike Beedle, 10/25/2004
- FW: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Mike Beedle, 10/25/2004
- Re: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Ralph Johnson, 10/25/2004
- RE: [patterns-discussion] Pattern-Oriented Programming, Reich, Shalom, 10/25/2004
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